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TURNING BACK TOWARDS GURU GRANTH SAHIB
REHAT

gRMQ swihb jI pws ip~T kir bYTy, so qnKwhIAw
gra(n)thh saahib jee paas pt(h) kar bait(h)ae so thanakhaaheeaa
Those who turn their back towards the Guru Granth Sahib while in It's presence will be punished.

Rehatnama Bhai Chaupaa Singh Jee

GURBANI

jn nwnk kI lj pwiq gurU hY isru byicE siqgur Awgy ]5]10]24]62]
jan naanak kee laj paath guroo hai sir baechiou sathigur aagae ||5||10||24||62||
Servant Nanak's honor and respect is the Guru; he has sold his head to the True Guru. ||5||10||24||62||

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Page 172 Guru Raam Daas Jee Raag Gauree


AmaN26/07/2003 13:39:28 Message Id:107
Unfortunately, something which many are guilty of including myself. When leaving the divan hall many walk away as normal turning their backs on Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The sangat should walk backwards... not easy to do but not impossible.


ADMIN28/07/2003 09:25:43 Message Id:108
Fateh jee,

The translation here should read "Those who sit with their backs towards Guru Granth Sahib will be punished" since it refers to "Baithae". It is true as you have said though that full respect should be given even when leaving the Guru's Darbaar.


Anoop Singh28/07/2003 11:31:19 Message Id:109
Aman jee, sorry but I don't understand why you should walk backwards? As pointed out by Admin jee, max respect should be realised in Guru's darbar, but how is this achieved by not looking where you're going!


HF31/07/2003 12:03:21 Message Id:114
I personally think that the meaning of this rehat is bit different. Guru is everwhere. I think that the meaning is that, when one is sitting in the presence of the Guru Granth Sahib, that person should not turn their back on the Guru Granth Sahib, in the sense that their mind must be controlled to accept and not go against the Guru Granth Sahib ie 'turn [your] back on the Guru Granth Sahib'. This is what I thought when I first read it anyway!


Sarv Kaur24/08/2003 11:53:06 Message Id:165
Although i am guilty of walking out of diwan with back to Maharaj,i try keeping my consciousness at His Feet. However, remember the story of Guru AmarDas Ji, who when walking miles to collect water for Guru Angad Dev Ji's bath, never turned his back on Guru Ji (walked backwards), even with a heavy load of water on his head!!!


JSingh16/09/2003 11:30:43 Message Id:210
I dont agree with this thought ...its just like when guru nanak ji went to mecca and the priest there asked him to turn his feets away from the direction where mecca was...so Nanak ji said he could turn his feets to direction where there is no god... the priest thought that god was every where and he appologised...similarly Guru Granth val pith karan naal kujh nahi hunda...haan real pith karni te oh hai ki je asi guru granth vich likhiyaan galaan nu na maniye...sanu satkar te karna hai par usde vich hi fas ke nahi reh jana hai...Tankhaiya oh hi hai jo guru di gal na mane....


ADMIN16/09/2003 11:40:30 Message Id:211
This is 100% correct. The real turning of backs is on the Bachan of Guru Sahib (Shabad).

But this does not mean that the external Rehat is invalid. The Guru Granth Sahib should be given the same respect as the Body of Guru Nanak to Guru Gobind Singh. Guru Amar Daas Jee's example of full satkaar/respect (when fetching water from 6 miles away and not turning his back) is a lesson to us all. Amar Daas (not Guru at the time) could have used the same argument and said I follow the Bachan and that is most important. It is very good that the above was highlighted though, since if we look at the Gurdwaras, everyone will bow down, but not many will follow the Word and instruction.


JSingh16/09/2003 12:17:10 Message Id:212
I have a quote for u all from SGGS: "Sees Nivaiye kya thiye, Jaan hriday kashudhe jaye...." So if we just bow to SGGS and dont listen to what it says and try to impliment it in our lives then these all activities are superfluous....


ADMIN17/09/2003 09:35:28 Message Id:217
Yes, this quote from Gurbani is highlighting hipocrosy. Again this does not mean that we should not physically bow down to the Guru. Bhatt Jal Jaalap in Guru Granth says

sakayathh so sir jaalap bhanai jo sir nivai gur amar nith ||1||10||
Fruitful is the head, says Jaalap, which bows forever before Guru Amar Daas. ||1||10||

Bhai Gurdaas Jee states also

sathigur saranee jaae sees nivaaeiaa||
He is true Sikh who surrenders before the Guru and bows his head;

So it is quite clear. One should bow down physically. And one should bow down spiritually (ie the mind should obey the Guru's Shabad).

To re-iterate the point. Sri Guru Granth Sahib should be given utmost respect by the Sikh both physically and mentally.


JSingh19/09/2003 11:19:31 Message Id:219
Why dont u discuss on more practicle aspects of Gurbani i.e. truthfull living rahter then spending all ur energy in talkin on superflous rituals....its sad to see that such an advance site talks nothing on truthful living i.e. real Jiwan jaach...


ADMIN24/09/2003 17:51:59 Message Id:227
I did receive this in a mail too from yourself. For us to say that respecting the Guru Granth Sahib is a ritual is utter nonsense. When Guru Arjan Dev Jee compiled the Adi Granth, from that day on the Granth was placed on Manjee Sahib and Guru Sahib slept on the floor. If we have lost this respect ourselves what sort of Sikhs do we claim to be?

This forum is for discussion of Rehat. There are 100 other thread referencing Naam, slandering, humility, fighting injustice, detachment from vices, showing love, talking sweetly, the Guru's sactuary etc etc. Are these not topics for "Jeevan Jaach??"

The visitor is left to discuss what they feel necessary and important.


Khalsa Soulja25/09/2003 19:28:32 Message Id:230
i have just started walking backwards now :) but i forget sometimes, eventually it will get drilled in.....do u lot walk backwards or sideways?


Palvinder Singh09/10/2003 11:04:06 Message Id:240
It is a major sin to point your back towards Sri Guru Granth Sahib, because it is disrespectful. Under no circumstances should this happen.


Kharminder Singh11/12/2003 23:41:54 Message Id:357
how many Sri Guru Granth Sahib Bhir's Parkarsh should be in the Darbar Sahib,ONE,TWO,THREE,FIVE?


Palvinder Singh15/12/2003 10:59:34 Message Id:367
Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh. From the outset daas will say that daas could be wrong on the question raised by veer Kharminder Singh so do forgive and further enlighten this worthless worm. Just recently, a Gurmukh Piara was telling us that there were actually THREE Maharaj De Sarupe at Sri Darbar Sahib, the true home of the Sikhs:(1)Jugo Jug Atal,Dasa Patshahia Di Jot, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.(2)Sri Dasam Granth Ji.(3)Sri Sarabloh Granth Ji. We were also told that there used to be one Sikh on one side of Maharaj Di Sarupe, and another Sikh on the other side. There also used to be Panj Piare ever present in Maharaj Di Darbar with full Blue Bhana. That Gurmukh Bhai went on to tell us that when the British annexed the Punjab, they also corrupted Sikhism: they sent one english man into Darbar Sahib who learnt everything thing about the Sikhs. This english man then told everything to the other english seniors. The british then decided to take away 2 of the Sikhs Granths and the Panj Piare,they also corrupted Gatka Shaster Vidya and also used to kill anyone with a Blue Bhana.The Sikhs in fear then began to wear white Bhana. Daas hopes that this answers your question veer ji. However the great time is yet to come, so rise in Chardi Kala.GURFATEH


ADMIN15/12/2003 14:18:49 Message Id:370
Fateh jee,

I don't think that this has answered the question. The question I think was referring to multiple Akhand Paats happening in one hall. This practice is not a good practice (personal opinion) since the focus of the Sangat should be on one programme and One Guru Granth Sahib.

In reference to the 3 Granth Sahibs, Guru Gobind Singh Jee gave Gur Gadhee to Guru Granth Sahib only. It is clear from historical texts that the Dasam Granth and Sarbloh Granth were compiled afterwards. The Gurgadhee was to Guru Granth Sahib jee. The Rehatnama quoted refers to "Granth Sahib Jee" (as singular) also. If it were referring to 3 Granths it would have said "Granth Sahib Jeeaa(n) Paas". If it were 3 and not 1 Granth, this would also make all Amrit Sinchaars, Anand Karajs, Akhand Paats etc invalid because the "complete" Guru (ie 3 Granths) was not present. This is not the case, we know this by referring back to life stories of great Sikh Souls. Baba Harnam Singh (Raampur Kheraa) got Darshan of all ten Gurus from Guru Granth Sahib jee when a doubt once entered his mind. Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh gained pure understanding of the Gurmantar (Thath Giaan) when he desired the Gurmantar. Just to name a few examples.


Singhni4ever25/12/2003 06:55:00 Message Id:393
Waheguru jee ka khalsa Waheguru jee ki fateh! so in the Gurudwara Sahib, we should walk sideways or backwards? SO is it critical to keep ur front towards SGGS jee even when ur walking out of the Sangat Congregation?? Bhul chuk muaaf Waheguru jee ka khalsa Waheguru jee ki fateh!


naamdhari khalsa11/11/2004 17:02:35 Message Id:746
sat sri akal, i have read the shiri aad granth sahib and in all my understandings and research i know that the aad granth sahib is not the guru of the khalsa panth. Is there any one who can prove me wrong with any facts, banis or rehitnamas... please dont use the "panthic dohra" as we all know it is not actual bani... Shri akaal jee sahai


ADMIN20/11/2004 14:24:51 Message Id:762
baanee guroo guroo hai baanee vich baanee a(n)mrith saarae || The Word, the Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within the Bani, the Ambrosial Nectar is contained.

The Guru only ever gave the "Word" or "Shabad" to the Sikh. The body was never expressed by the ten Gurus. The Word is now in Gurbani.

We don't need a physical body anymore, we need to practice the Shabad which we have already in the Guru "Guru Granth Sahib":

ddit(h)ai mukath n hovee jichar sabadh n karae veechaar ||
One is not liberated by merely seeing Him, unless one contemplates the Word of His Shabad.


SHEERY29/04/2005 08:12:25 Message Id:954
WHY GURU NANAK DEV JI SAYS WHEN HIS FOOT WERE FACING MECCA-( PUT MY FOOT IN THAT DIRECTION WHERE THERE IS NO GOD)


gurpreet26/06/2005 16:04:09 Message Id:1008
naamdhari khalsa ji please read the following , here you are questioning the status shabad guru and here is what gurbani says about that.... page 515 guru granth sahib Slok M 3 waaho waaho bani nirankar hai tis jeavud avar na koe If thats not enough that go and question guru granth the most difficult question thats effecting your life and you will get a personal answer in the hukamnamah, only a true guru can do that. can anyone of the other self styled gurus do that its something you have to ask yourself. (if your research can tell you who the guru is than nothing like it but the true answer will come from your heart not your research.)


nothing - nower07/10/2005 16:24:53 Message Id:1132
isn't god everywhere?


jonny singh08/10/2005 13:43:49 Message Id:1133
i have only recently started looking into the sikh religion and what i find unique is that as a fundamental ethos Guru Nanak's teachings exclude all rituals in the worship and appreciation of the "One Creator". I also find his experience on having his feet pointing mecca - as an example. The extent i now see present day sikhs practicing rituals in the practice of their faith makes me wonder if the sikhs have forgotten the foundations of their religion - those who practice rituals are no different from their hindu ancestors - if Siks want to be different then they have to be different and stop carrying out rituals - may the true beliver not turn his back to the foundations of his faith - rather than worry about the posture his body may take whilst moving from place to place.


Khalsa_Aps04/05/2006 09:23:51 Message Id:1380
In this regard I just have to cite a self explanatory example which I have read in the Sakhis. It goes like this that whenever Guru Amar Das Ji went ot pay his respects to Guru Angad Dev Ji, while returning Guru Amar Das Ji would never turn his back towards Guru Angad Dev Ji and would walk backwards quite a distance and then turn. If Guru Amar Das Ji did not turn his back to the Guru in its presence then who are we to turn our back to the Guru.


unknown05/05/2006 13:48:27 Message Id:1386
pls explain me how shall we leave gurudwara premises


ADMIN05/05/2006 19:46:08 Message Id:1388
You leave the Gurdwara through the door!! All the Rehat is trying to tell you is to treat the Guru Granth Sahib as though the Ten Gurus were sitting in front of you. The answer to your all your questions will be revealed if you just think about it like that for a minute. The Guru Granth Sahib is "Jaagdhee Joth" - the Living Light of the Guru. Just treat it that way. Hope that concludes this thread and Rehat.


Pritam Singh Khalsa08/05/2006 02:59:01 Message Id:1392
We only look to Sri Guru Granth Sahib as the Guru, but the Sarbloh Granth and the Dasam Granth are just look at with high reverance due to we use passages from the Dasam Granth daily in our Nitnem{In a way we read from Dasam Granth everyday but go to the Gurdwara to have Darshan of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Mahraj as the Guru Saroop}


Surinder03/11/2006 23:07:25 Message Id:1791
True Sikhism is the teachings of Guru Nanak ji. Which contained very little ritualism, instead concentrated on internal cultivation through simran. Some of the teachings that came about after Guruji go against the basic teachings of Guru Nank ji. How can wearing a Khucha or Kara take you closer to god,what nonsense !!!!! "Waheguru jee ka khalsa Waheguru jee ki fateh"


Wrongly Interpreted !!12/11/2006 12:13:15 Message Id:1820
Wahe Guru Jee Ka Khalsa ; Wahe Guru Jee Ki Fateh... "Those who turn their back towards the Guru Granth Sahib while in It's presence will be punished. Rehatnama Bhai Chaupaa Singh Jee". I TEND TO DISAGREE. Guru Granth Sahib Jee is my first love and my Guru is very practical and extremely understanding. Guru Sahib taught a message which is a perfect example here to the Moslems in Mecca but still we Sikhs fail to understand the Guru's divine message. The Khalsa keeps away from such blasphemy. My Guru is omnipresent !!


papi28/11/2006 19:29:42 Message Id:1864
"How can wearing a Khucha or Kara take you closer to god,what nonsense !!!!!" i'm sorry if rehit given to us by Guru Gobind Singh seems nonsense to you. i have one word for you my friend, SYMBOLISM


Inderdeep Kaur02/12/2006 00:27:46 Message Id:1873
WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH! If you were talking to someone and all of a sudden they turned their back to you, how would you feel? Think of it this way, when the bani is being recited, its really the guru speaking to you, and so when you turn your back on the guru, you are basicly telling guru ji that you don't care about what he's trying to teach you, and so you turn around. Bhull chuk muaf karni. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, WHAHEGURU JI KI FATEH!


HARMEET SINGH (SAS NAGAR) CHANDIGARH 15/12/2006 07:47:15 Message Id:1904
WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH!! ALL OF US VERY WELL KNOWN BHAI GURDAAS JI WAAR "SATGUR NANAK PARGATIYA MITI DHUND JAG CHAANAN HOIAA" THINK ABOUT OUR PANTH !!!!! KIA DHUND MIT GAI ????????


HSS19/12/2006 15:11:08 Message Id:1909
I suggest people should go read the Rhait Nama of Bhai Nand Lal Ji. They have recorded speeches of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jis in relation to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.


HS10/01/2007 14:29:09 Message Id:1946
Sri Guru Granth Saheb Ji is our only guru. All other granths mentioned in the discussions above are entailed in some controvery or other. It is very easy for a gursikh to make out by reading them to see if they fall inline with Sri Guru Granth Saheb Ji's priciples or not. Can any of my brother and sister agree to that fact that Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji can write on how to do sex with a woman and take inotxicants? (Read Triya Charitar)? So my respectful brothers and sisters focus your energy on Naam Simran instead of slandering on wasteful topics. Just like an elephant needs an ANKUSH for controlling it's outrage, the KAKAARS given to me by my Guru are weaqpons that will help me in killing my bad instincts. "REHAT PRAYEE MUJHKO SIKH PYARA NAHEN" is what Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji said but the KAKAARS are the ones which will help me and guide me to follow rehat maryaada. Bhul Chuk da Jaacahk, Gur Fateh, Harjeet Singh.


y do ppl think kakkars are nonsense?!11/01/2007 03:16:27 Message Id:1949
i think it is very disrespectful for "surinder" to say "How can wearing a Khucha or Kara take you closer to god,what nonsense !!!!" what id like to say is , y dont u go and research what the purpose and reasoning is for having the 5 kakkars: kesh kunga kirpan kara kashara


hhhhmmmm25/04/2007 10:10:08 Message Id:2328
I reckon that the rehat means turning u'r back 2 wards the Guru like ignoring the Guru and doing worldly stuff... Although we should keep our fronts or sides even in Divan hall (The story of Guru Amar daas Jee). Basically neva turn u'r back 2 wards the Guru in Divan and neva ignore the Guru. CASE CLOSED!


Nihang Singh12/05/2007 17:46:12 Message Id:2459
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji is our living breathing Guru as said by Dasmeh Sarbloh Paathshah Nhang Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. Turning your back on Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the exact same as tuning your back on any of the previous 10 Gurus. This is a maha paap and will go to hell for it. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh


Jagjinder Singh04/07/2007 09:12:08 Message Id:2786
Veer Nihang Singh ji, could you please elaborate what is hell, and how does one go to hell?


someone who cares11/08/2007 03:33:26 Message Id:2921
it shouldn't say pages it should say ang


Vishavtej11/08/2007 14:54:26 Message Id:2922
I think we should have enough respect for Guru. Its natural. But by saying that those who just sit with their back towards will be punished is wrong, it should be elaborated further that by sitting with their backs towards the Guru, one is not paying attention to it and not learning anything, he will be punished in form of more wandering in the false world if one does not leatn something. This is just creating false rituals. THe same rituals that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji condemned. I am sure all of us know about the Mecca incident where Guru Nanak Dev Ji corrected Quazis in Mecca. Yes it is wrong to sit with their backs while sitting in Darbar Sahib because attention sholud be given to the Guru.


errrmmm....11/08/2007 15:56:01 Message Id:2923
What "Nihang" Singh needs to elaborate on is wat does he mean by turning u'r back towards the Guru? is it in the Sense breaking away from Guru's shabd or wen u leave Divan hall, walking wid u'r back towards Guru Ji?


yo11/08/2007 16:00:09 Message Id:2924
Jagjinder Singh, Don't worry much about hell... It is just where the bad people, or the ones without praising the Guru and without strict rehat go to to get beaten up by the devils (Jamdooth). But, i'll stop now, as this topic weill lead away from the main topic.


Daljeet19/08/2007 13:32:09 Message Id:2957
I thought there was no such thing as "hell" as most would believe, but merely the charasi lakh jun? Maybe I have heard wrong.


rani kaur04/09/2007 13:58:59 Message Id:3300
i have learned something to day it is right we alway walk backward when moving away after bowing to the sggs but in our gurudwara there are some man that set behind the sggs is that wrong because i feel very hurt iam i wrong to believe that because they are facing the back to the granth and facing the sangat who are sitting facing sggs.


yo04/09/2007 16:59:38 Message Id:3301
I promise u there is hell... but u r not sposed to "Believe" in hell as only people without naam go there... (Unless they had taken amrit). The reason 4 hell is obvioulsy, Dharam raja as mentioned by Guroo jee's. I think Hell is mentioned In Guroo Granth Sahib jee, like wat happens to all the people without any sikhee jeevan after death... but do not worry much about hell...


Harginder Singh14/09/2007 15:58:04 Message Id:3541
I would like some of you to try it walking the different ways from Guru Ji and then feel any difference. I know Admin was right when he mentioned we should not turn our backs when sitting to Guru Ji. It is like when we face the other way do we show that we are listening to our friends or bosses conversation or we are interested in him.


sigh17/09/2007 17:03:37 Message Id:3608
Sat sri akaal, sanghat jeeo. First, there is hell... then, depending on u'r actions, there is the Churaasi lak joon AS WELL!


sahej02/10/2007 19:12:37 Message Id:3876
VJKK, VJKf I am really surprised that some of us can really dare to say some bad things about our guru's. If we consider Guru Gobind singh ji Maharaj as our father then we have absolutely no right to deny any of his decisions, because he himself is Akal Purakh vaheguru, and whatever he did and gaves us is for the very best of his kids.there is no doubt that we need to know the importance of the rehat's and kakaar's but saadh sangat ji we can clarify our doubts by showing respect to our 10 guru's and to our religion. We all do know the story of Mecca, but this is not relevant our here, because Guru Nanak Devji was not inside the God's house in Mecca, he was just resting outside and his feet pointed towards that direction. For example: in the classroom can we sit facing our back to the teacher, the answer is no, because that would be disrespecting the teacher. so Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is our Guru, we learn from our guru and we need to show our respect to the guru while sitting in the hajoori of guru maharaj, once we are out of the darbar sahib, or going towards langar hall or outside it should be fine to walk in any direction. To surinder ji, none of the kakaar's are nonsense, please try to learn more about the most practical and most truthfull religion on the earth and that is "Sikhism". Bhul chuk maaf karni. VJKK VJKF


Jagjinder Singh04/10/2007 13:16:49 Message Id:3915
You can attain Mukti or meet Husband-Lord right at this time, no Muhoorat is needed if you have attained the real Amrit of Naam! Similarly, there is no dooms-day that will come after your death, and no hell or heaven will be justified to you! Who knows what happens after death? Even Guru Nanak Sahib wrote "Ik dajae, Ik dabiay, ikna kutte khaye, ik pani vich ushtiye, ik bhi fir hasan paye, Nanak ev na japayi, kithe jaaye samaaye" When we are away from TRUTH, we are in HELL, and when we have tasted the AMRIT-NAAM, that alone is heaven! FYI: The so-called 8.4 million life-forms are increasing-decreasing on this earth! Guru Nanak sahib said "Kot brahmand ko thakur soami", meaning there are millions of Universes, and you are talking about just 8.4 million life-forms? When we are greedy, we are like a dog, when we are full of lust, we are like an elephant, when we are pleading in front of somebody for something useful, we are like worms, when we are rigid, we are like donkeys, when we are proud, we are like bulls! We are experiencing all these life-forms in Human form itself!!! Stay Chardi Kala!!




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